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Mary of Amsterdam versus Mary of Medjugorje



picture of The Lady of All NationsIn her message of March 18th in Medjugorje, Bosnia-Hercegovina, the apparition, calling herself Queen of Peace, tells visionary Mirjana Dragicevic-Soldo “Dear children! I am coming among you because I desire to be your mother - your intercessor. I desire to be the bond between you and the Heavenly Father - your mediatrix. I desire to take you by the hand and to walk with you in the battle against the impure spirit.”

In the 1950's in a series of apparitions in Amsterdam, Holland, an apparition, calling herself Lady of All Nations, tells visionary Ida Peerdeman that she demanded of the Church to declare her "Co-redemptrix, mediatrix and advocate". This would be the 5th Marian dogma declared by the Catholic Church.

Do not confuse the two apparitions and messages!

  1. Ida, who knew Medjugorje during her lifetime, always said that the Mary she saw was a different Mary than that of Medjugorje.

  2. Mary in Medjugorje has said in her messages that she does not possess all graces. Mary of Amsterdam is venerated as mediatrix of all graces.

  3. Ida often had her appearances during Holy Mass, where she often distracted attention from the Eucharist with her screaming and shouting. Mary in Medjugorje has said "If you can choose between attending an apparition with me or attending Holy Mass, please choose attending Holy Mass."

  4. Mary of Amsterdam has herself depicted on the cross (see picture on the right),

  5. on the globe,

  6. with sheep under her feet.

    This is the place of Christ.

  7. There are many other apparitions of Mary that claim high titles like in Manduria, Mary of the Eucharist, second phase of Rue du Bac in Paris, Lady of the Globe etc. Vassula and Garabandal I also put in this category.

    The "low" apparitions, with humble titles, are Lourdes, Fatima, Medjugorje, Banneux, Beauraing, etc.

    The apparitions of one category support each other, but never mention the apparitions of the other category. Mary in Medjugorje talks about the apparitions in Izbicno as being from God and about Fatima that what she started there she is finishing in Medjugorje. But she does not talk about apparitions of the other group. This should make you think.

  8. Amsterdam gives a lot of schism among Catholics world-wide. During the 2nd Vatican Council, so a priest told us, Dutch catholic youth, that the debate in the corridors of the Vatican was not about the "aggiornamento", but about the apparition of Amsterdam and the dogma it demands. 40% Of all cardinals and bishops was and is fervently in favour, 60% was and is fervently against.

  9. The group in favour wanted then also in the document Lumen Gentium a paragraph about Mary to be included in the chapter about the Holy Trinity. They lost since they are 40%, the other 60% won and the paragraph about Mary came in a separate chapter.

  10. And this is exactly the danger of Amsterdam and this dogma, and why the devil has launched it.

    During the Reformation the devil succeeded in splitting off the Christians who have Mary too low. Now he is busy in splitting off the Catholics who have Mary too high.

    Don't fall into the trap and don't mingle other apparitions like Vassula, Garabandal or Amsterdam with Medjugorje. I am already hesitant on putting this page on my Medjugorje website, but since Mary is talking in Medjugorje now for the second time about her being mediatrix I feel I have too.

  11. In her message of March 18th 2012 the Queen of Peace speaks about the third and second title of the "co-redemptrix, mediatrix and advocate (or intercessor)"-dogma demanded by the so called Lady of All Nations but then instead of the first speaks about the impure spirit. This should make you think. Advocate and mediatrix are very old titles used to describe Mary, nothing new. Co-redemptrix is the title demanded by the Lady of All Nations and way too high. The devil has concocted this trio of titles in the apparition of Amsterdam, using lesser good (titles) to achieve (a) bigger evil (title) as he always does.

    If Mary would be declared co-redemptrix by the Catholic Church then that would be the end of me and many other Catholics of being catholic.

    If Mary in Medjugorje would declare herself co-redemptrix in a message, then I would take my Medjugorje site off the air or even turn it into an anti-Medjugorje website.

  12. I have asked Vicka in a registered letter from Medjugorje to ask the Gospa whether the apparition of Amsterdam was from God or not. But the only response was in the next monthly message "you ask too much, you should pray more." Note that Mary in Medjugorje never mentions apparitions that are not from God.

  13. There is one message of Amsterdam in the accompanying blue book in which Ida describes the apparition as "undressing herself",

  14. and in another message in the blue book the apparition asks to send more Dutch troops to the Dutch Indies/Indonesia, which was fighting for independence then.

    Would Mary in Medjugorje do such things?

  15. All previous bishops of Amsterdam disapproved the apparition, then one bishop accepted the prayer, then the Vatican said one line in the prayer was wrong and forbade all international pilgrimages to Amsterdam. Then the latest bishop approved the apparition. But his mother was a firm friend of Ida and had her son be consecrated to this apparition, which is dangerous, since it was disapproved then.

  16. Now this current bishop of Amsterdam is "under influence" and in his "investigative commission" only appoints people in favour of the apparition or people having no opinion, but no adversaries, as he should also.

  17. You can also read the document from the Filipino bishops against Amsterdam.

So could you please not talk about a Marian dogma that states that Mary is co-redemptrix when Mary in Medjugorje only states that she is intercessor and mediatrix? Don't be responsible for a schism in the Catholic Church!

In case you are in favour of Amsterdam, then I know it's harder to talk to advocates of this 5th dogma than to evolutionists, but you still you need to know what I know and I still need to ask you,

God Bless!

Drs. Johannes Leushuis
webmaster www.medjugorje.eu


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